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A lot of the size of these ships is driven not by VLS but by the need to make speed while simultaneously being very quiet. Nautilus was similar in size to diesels of its era, but it was about as noisy as rocks in a dryer. Your Skipjack class sub would be very noisy and dead meat in a fight with a peer submarine. The typical (read that as not Ohio SSGN replacement) attack sub has been carrying tomahawks since I was a young fellow. The difference is that those tomahawks were carried in lieu of torpedoes. Your idea removes a valuable tool from an SSN skipper's tool box. To be frank, I'd rather have VLS and the potential to load AShCMs than piles of conventional torpedoes. Against a modern ASW ship with helos and potentially ASW drones, I want stand-off, and a missile can give me that, where piles of torpedoes won't.

The reality is that your 'no VLS' attack boat just gives up torpedoes and still has cruise missiles stored in the magazines. The LAs and Virginias with just 12 TASMs/TLAMs were fine. The only reason for the VPM is to replace the Ohio SSGNs, since we can't afford a bespoke sub to do that. You're conflating this requirement with 'the SSNs have too much VLS'.

You continue to posit positioning diesel boats 'forward' in spite of the continuing issue of shaky alliances and the Chinese A2AD problem. You also ignore the brutal reality that a diesel boat that can't be used to support fleet operations becomes a liability if we need more fleet subs. Your 20 knot diesel boat can't keep up with a task force, so only is useful as an ambush sub at choke points, where a nuke boat can do both jobs.

The brutal reality is that a first class submarine isn't cheap, and the Japanese would rather have nuke submarines than diesels from a purely military standpoint, but popular sentiment in their country is in the way. You only have to look at where the Koreans and Indians are going to realize that anybody who can get nukes wants pretty much only nukes.

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The USN's problem is that Congress scaled shipbuilding to a world where we only needed to make 1.5ish subs a year. Then Congress allowed our competitor (China) to basically consume our industries and economy so that they could afford to blitz us with massive numbers of ships. As someone in another forum pointed out, the US built 62 Los Angeles class submarines over the course of a few years. But we had the yards to do that. Adding diesel submarines doesn't help that, it actually makes that problem worse by competing for skilled labor and materials.

If I stand up a factory to build fenders for my new line of pickup trucks, and said factory starts building hybrid-electric pickups, I don't get my fenders, I just get competition.

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